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Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphere

Maps look complex but really they're not. The subject that seems to vex many people Maps is that there are two basic concepts known as Shapes/Polygons and Places.

 

The terms shape and polygon tend to be used interchangeably and at a high level that's right, but there are some complexities. Lets start by thinking about the concept of a polygon and that will lead us into what these shapes are used for. A polygon is basically a shape made up of lines that do not intersect and form an enclosed area. They're widely used in the cartographic side of mapping to represent the world including

  • natural features such as continents, islands, mountains, oceans, rivers and lakes;
  • geo-political features such as countries, cities, towns, villages;
  • administrative features such as postal codes, hospital zones; property boundaries;
  • man made features such as railways, roads, paths, and buildings;
  • assets such as power lines, underground pipes; and
  • many many more.

Everything in the world is represented by polygons when placed onto a map. Not all possible mapping features appear on Google Maps. To the casual eye Maps looks like its just shapes but there is more behind the scenes. Every shape has metadata that is used to describe the shape, how it connects or relates to other shapes and how it represents its part of the real world.

 

Places represent somewhere a human can visit and may have things they can do when they get there. Places are often referred to as Locations. The two terms ore more or less interchangeable.

 

Shapes can fall within other shapes, states fall within countries, cities and towns and villages fall within states although these can be at country level where there are no states. Places fall within shapes and can also fall within other places.

 

Isn't mapping fun? The real world is complex, maps try to represent that multi dimensional complexity in a pictorial view that helps us poor humans understand the world around us and get around in it.

 

I've got a background that includes knowledge of Mapping and Geospatial Information Systems so I'm familiar with these concepts but I note that many Local Guides are not. It is very important to understand the concepts to know where you can place your content such as photos and photospheres otherwise you will likely fall foul of the Maps User Contributed Content Policy which I highly recommend all Local Guides read and are familiar with.

 

You will see photos listed along with shapes such as cities, these photos are not added to these places directly, they are gleaned from places that fall within the boundary of the shape by a Google algorithm. The algorithm surfaces the images it thinks will match your needs at the time you searched. Here are some example shapes that are not locations. Shapes are usually but not always outlined in red when you search for them to show you the extent of the shape.

 

This first example is the country where I live, Australia. You can see the red outline that shows the extent of the country shape. All the places within Australia fall within this shape. Note that country shapes are complex and often not contiguous to cover islands and offshore territories. The photos you see at the country level come from the places within the shape boundary and are not added directly by Local Guides or Street View photographers.

Country ShapeCountry Shape

 

The second example is a state shape in this case Tasmania, the southernmost state of Australia (not including the Antarctic Australian Territory). All the places that belong to Tasmania fall within this shape. The photos you see at the state level come from the places within the shape boundary and are not added directly by Local Guides or Street View photographers.

State ShapeState Shape

 

The third example is a city shape where my friend @PennyChristie calls home called Sydney. All the places that belong to Sydney fall within this shape. The photos you see at the city level come from the places within the shape boundary and are not added directly by Local Guides or Street View photographers.

City ShapeCity Shape

 

Similarly this fourth example is a town or village shape called Kerang which is a small rural country town in the state in which I live. The photos you see at the town level come from places that fall within the town shape and are not added directly by Local Guides or Street View photographers.

Town ShapeTown Shape

 

Now locations (or more correctly places of interest "POI") are the things that show up as pins on the Map. They are places you can edit, review and add photos to.  In this example Third Wave Cafe is a place you can visit with things you can do when you get there - eat! The café place falls within the shape of its address and also the shape of its building. Confusing? A little. Think of it this way, you use the address to find the building that the place you want to visit is within. 

Place - a cafePlace - a cafe

 

Now this example is a little more interesting because it looks like the place is both a shape and a place at the same time, in reality its not, its just like the café. The place is the pin that has the data you can edit, review and add photos to. The place falls within the shape that is the lake itself and that falls within a wider shape of the park that surrounds the lake. When you dissect it this way even this confusing example is really a very simple set of layers that come together to make a map and help you find the lake so you can visit and do things there. Incidentally this is an awesome calm water spot for canoeing or kayaking or rafting with kids.

Place - a lakePlace - a lake

 

This next example is a whole lot of places showing as pins that fall within the shape of the city of Melbourne that falls within the shape of the state of Victoria, that falls within the shape of the country of Australia. It is simply more layered shapes that take you on a journey to a final place. Local Guides can edit, review and add photos to these places but not the shapes that they fall within. Street View photographers can add their photospheres to these places.

Places appear as pinsPlaces appear as pins

 

There is another kind of shape that we cannot edit and these have either been brought in from official sources or come from the old Map Maker days which are simply a named polygon or shape that have no associated place. Here is one called Fingal Drive Reserve but also includes things such as rivers, mountains and lakes. This is a small park that needs to have a place associated with it. Its easy to tell the difference, you search for what seems to be a place or find one on the Map and click on it but there are no features to add reviews, photos or suggest an edit. These can be reported within the Maps App although I've had better success getting them fixed via the Maps help community. https://support.google.com/maps/community. The Local Guides interface does not allow additions of photos or edits to this sort of shapes, however adding 360 panospheres through the Street View App is allowed. 

Named Polygon ShapeNamed Polygon Shape

 

Now while the base concepts are a little complex when first seen, it always comes down to just places within shapes within shapes within shapes. If you always make sure your Local Guides or Street View activities are on Places (Locations) not Shapes then you'll be ok and you'll be doing a great service to your community. It is ok to add photospheres to the Map without tagging them to a Place. Photospheres are positioned spatially and are visible as blue dots you can drop Peg Man onto to view the sphere.

 

Sometimes unintentional opportunities open up to add photos (particularly photo spheres) directly to shapes other than those that are allowed and those that do it quickly learn that they should not do it because they quickly get rejected and are no longer visible to anyone other than the person who added them. In my opinion these contributions are spam and they're rejected for several reasons, the first one is that they are in violation of the policy, secondly they're not fair because they get many more views than photos at places and thirdly because they make it more difficult for Google to surface the content you need when you need it when there is artificially arbitrary content placed by people.

 

Now because the world is complex, there is one and only one exception to the rule that photos can only be added to places. If you are making the blue lines of Street View, this is done by submitting a video stream using the Street View App and supported camera hardware. These images can get placed along roads, tracks and paths that are shapes. These images are not placed directly by the Local Guide or Street View person they are placed algorithmically by Google. These are ok.

 

Note that occasionally places will be locked for some or all types of contribution by Local Guides and Street View people for various reasons that are outlined in the User Contributed Content Policy linked above.

 

As a Local Guide if you find images and photospheres at places where they don't belong, report them help keep the Map clean of trash and spam.

 

I hope this has been helpful and I look forward to answering your questions in the comments below.

 

Paul

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

Thanks, @PaulPavlinovich for this much needed explanation.

 

I will be happy to link to it next time someone needs help understanding where we can / can not add photos. 

 

Since you explanation is rather long a quick tip might be relevant to share also: Areas/shapes have no link or button named Add photo. This might be the quickest and easiest way to know if you are dealing with an area/shape or a pin. 

If there is no Add photo link or button this is Google's way of telling us that photos and reviews are not welcome here. 

 

Cheers 

Morten 

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

@PaulPavlinovich

 

One challenge:

Let's say there is a lake which is an area. Adding photos and reviews is not possible. 

Someone decided to create a pin with the same name as the lake mainly to make it possible to add photos and reviews. 

Should these co-exist or be merged? 

How do we best decide when to create a pin within an area when it is closely the same? 

 

Cheers 

Morten 

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

I've just added an example of that @MortenCopenhagen these are named polygons. I've had good success getting them addressed via the Maps Help Community but yes, there are often examples where people have added a place as well (I've been known to do that) then get them merged via the Maps Help Community. Note that when you front up to the help community be prepared with evidence from a reliable source such as a government website or document.

 

Edit: I totally forgot to say thanks for the feedback so thanks @MortenCopenhagen 🙂

 

Paul

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

Great post @PaulPavlinovich, very detailed and indeed very helpful to shade some lights on those concepts 😉.

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

Thanks @LuigiZ I hope its helpful - I tried to make a complex topic simple, I know it will still put some people into head spins 🙂

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

Great post @PaulPavlinovich  - I immediately bookmarked it for future use, and I'm pretty sure I will be able to use it !

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

Wow @PaulPavlinovich ,

these are many insides. It should be highlighted!!! 

Thank you very much.

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

Thanks @TorM and @JanVanHaver hopefully you and others will find it useful :).

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Re: Shapes and Places - Guidance on where to add edits and photos including both flat and photo sphe

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing this, @PaulPavlinovich . I bookmarked this 🙂