Maintaining the Integrity of Maps Listings: Does the Flag Feature Work?

Over the last few months, I’ve been seeing a LOT of profiles we’d coin as “mega posters” spamming Maps Listings with photos that aren’t of the actual business they are posting to. One profile, in particular, caught my attention after the user stole photos from my profile and started posting them as his own. After glancing at this user’s profile, I started seeing that he is making a habit out of posting irrelevant photos to listings, in an attempt to get the number one photo. No matter the cost.

I’ve put together a few examples to share. As you can see, it’s clear that the photo that the user is adding to these listings is FAR from the actual location. Google Maps listings are there to help users find a business and users have a reasonable expectation that the information on the listing is accurate. When listings are spammed with photos that are not of the actual business, it compromises the integrity of the entire platform and will, without a doubt, cause a negative experience for the user. Imagine that you clicked one of these listings and were trying to get an idea of what the business looked like so that it was easy to spot while driving. But you were looking for a building that looked one way, when in reality, the exterior of the actual business is drastically different than the photo on the listing. Aside from the fact that this is a violation of the terms they agreed to upon creating their profile, it compromises the integrity of the entire Google Maps platform.

So this leads me to ask … Does the ‘flag’ feature actually help Google maintain the integrity of the business listings on Maps or do the reports go ignored until a certain threshold of flags are received? How does Google determine the legitimacy of a photo if they do review it after being flagged? I can’t imagine that there is a human assigned to look at each photo that gets flagged but if there isn’t, does that mean that going through the steps to flag photos is a waste of time for users?

All of these examples below are from the same User’s profile. On the left, you’ll see the photo he posted to a particular listing and on the right, you’ll see a screen grab from Google’s Streetview feature for the same business. As you can see for yourself, the photo he posted is not of the actual business.

The two photos below are screenshots taken from his activity. You can see that he’s using the same photo, posting it to multiple locations, despite the fact that this is NOT the exterior of any of these locations. Not a single one.

This leads me to my next question … how can local Guides report someone else for stealing their photos and using them as their own? I’ve gone through the report profile feature and the best option that fits is “copywrite violation” but the process to submit that is tedious and leans more towards a legal side of things, versus what I’m experiencing from this particular profile. For most, it might not be a big deal. It might even flatter some. But for those of us who take pride in our profiles, striving to take quality photos that end up being the featured photo on the listing, and love watching that view count climb, it’s frustrating.

The photo below is an example of what I am talking about. The photo on the left-hand side is a photo I posted to the Maps listing. On the right, you’ll notice that this is my exact photo (with the two people removed). This particular user actually was able to steal about a handful or two of my top viewed photos, post them to his profile and, in a few cases, was able to bump me from the featured photo position.

Has anyone else experienced either of these scenarios? Do you have any tips on how you were able to remedy the situation? Do you have any thoughts/insight on how we, as Guides, can help Google ensure that listings are providing users with the most accurate information as possible?

@Kristen_NYC @DeniGu @ @Ority @InaS Perhaps one/some of you have some guidance or advice you can share with us??

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Hi @MelTG

Just a quick reply.

I agree with you that posting the same photo across several pins is a clear violation of the guidelines.

Please see How to identify and report fraud on Google Maps and
You can now report entire profiles for abuse on Google Maps.

In my experience the flagging of photos is like pressing a fake button at a red traffic light as a pedestrian. It feels good to do something even though it has no effect!

If someone stole one of your photos just use the copyright flagging. That kind of flagging is taken very seriously. And action is taken with in a few days. You need to be the copyright owner to use this.

Finally, please tag only one Google moderator and not any Googler.

Cheers

Morten

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Thanks for asking @MelTG . This seems to be a common question in the last few weeks, but as the subject is touching me a lot, I will try to respond.

The answer should be “yes, it works” but the real answer is “yes, but it works slowly”.

I personally reported the issue directly to Google during the Local Guides Summit 2017 in California, where I tried to be the a self nominated Ambassador of the community, and we also gave some suggestion.

The real issue is that the “numbers” are working against us.

It is easy (technically easy) to detect a stolen photo (well, let say a photo downloaded by mistake from the web), and I do it by myself every day when I want to check if a photo is “original”. An AI can do a lot, identify is some photo has been uploaded in the wrong place, identify if we added a photo twice, identify the source of a photo.

But doing the same for millions of photos uploaded every single day will use a huge amount of resources. The AI is indeed at work, and some of my photo is “hidden” for some “mysterious” reason (including a photo with a million + views) but my feeling is that the work of the AI is in some way “limited” due to the available resources.

In addition the type of violation suggested by you need to be checked by a human trained operator and an appropriate way to report the photo, to help the operator to see where the issue is, but to do this you will have to put thousandth and thousands people at work.

So at the moment the best way is to report the profile, like @MortenCopenhagen suggested. It is faster, and it works, even if Google may take weeks to take down all the photos.

FYI, I want to inform you that I just released your post from spam quarantine. Our filter is working to protect the community and you from unwanted content, but sometimes it can be triggered by something and remove a legitimate post. Probably you edited your post, and this triggered the filter. Fortunately the post disappeared just when I was responding :smiley:

For more information you can read: Why was my Connect post marked as spam?

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Hi @MelTG this is a well thought out post designed to find the Cheaters in our amazing Local Google Guide program, Your intuitive detective work shows the culprit, I love it. I too have had photos stolen, I too have reported many guides who abuse the system, a few have lost their posting privilege’s.

I once belonged to a FB group of local google guides “worldwide” but got so tired of reporting guides who posted daily just to sell reviews and photos, that’s all they did, The moderator’s got so tired of me reporting their posts they kicked me off.

Keep up the great work Mel. I love it

Side note @MortenCopenhagen please give me more info on Copyright infringement on separate post or P.M.

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@MortenCopenhagen thank you for all that wonderful information.

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@ErmesT thank you for explaining a little more about what’s working behind the scenes. I’ll remain hopeful that at some point, maybe we’ll have some better technology to speed up the response to these types of flagged problems.

Do you have a suggestion on which option I should use when reporting the profile?

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@TerryPG

I believe I got kicked for exactly the same reason from that very same facebook group too!

I will explain how I got help on the stolen photo issue separately. And I will tag you.

UPDATE: I found this: https://www.localguidesconnect.com/t5/General-Discussion/What-should-you-do-when-your-photos-are-shamelessly-copied-amp/m-p/3536207/highlight/true#M1320099

Actually, it is very simple.

Step 1: Have your original photo online and have a deep link to it at hand. This can be done in Google Photos (make sure it is a public link). Or if you can find the original image in your photo contribution list a deep link to it will also suffice.

Step 2: Find the stolen photo on Google Maps. Flag it as you would normally flag a photo. As the reason, please select Copyright or legal issue

You will be taken to a rather long questionnaire that is not Maps specific.

You will need to select “See more products” to see “Google Maps and related products” when answering the initial question.

Just work your way through the legal questions.

It took less than 2 days for them to react and they removed the stolen copy and made sure my copy was again visible.

But make sure to be very clear about which image is the stolen copy. And since the business owner in my case did not know how to download the best quality from Google Maps it was a no-brainer to side with me.

Best of luck - and please share your experiences should you need to go through the process.

Cheers

Morten

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This is the most painful question, @MelTG , because the only option is to report the Local Guide for “Another Policy Violation” while when reporting a photo you have t least a field on “other” where you can explain the reason for reporting. What I usually do is:

  • I report the profile
  • I report two photos, explaining that the report is not related only to the reported photo, but that it is a behavior of the LG

@TerryPG , in my signature you can find a post about copyright: A Reflection on “Original Content” - What if this Photo … is Yours?

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I was so glad to see that you decided to open this to discussion amongst the Local Guide community @MelTG :clap:

This is an incredibly frustrating and annoying practice that continues to plague many top contributors, myself included. I wish we could share the offenders on here to out them, but many do not engage with Connect.

I have flagged numerous photos on a number of occasions and reported profiles before blocking them, only to revisit and see they remained months later. It’s nice to get feedback from other Local Guides that experienced the same and I’m looking forward to attempting the procedure shared by @MortenCopenhagen on two of the most nefarious offenders.

@ErmesT I appreciated reading your detailed and timely response

@TerryPG we could start a private profile investigation service then schedule a “Meetup” with em for a nice friendly photo walk :grin:

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@ErmesT @MortenCopenhagen thank you both for the invaluable advice and guidance.

@Mikeinthefalls I suppose those of us who have fallen victim to this tactic should be flattered but I certainly don’t feel that way when I discover I’ve been attacked :unamused: :rofl: I do, however, love the idea of a meetup to confront the perpetrators. It would feel very much like Hidden Camera.

Now I’m off to go report some profiles!!

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@Mikeinthefalls

You mentioned the blue sky idea of confronting scammers in a video call.

I have been contemplating making a screen recording to demonstrate how excessive and unhelpful some spammers and ill-informed Maps users can behave. But my imagination fails to figure out how to reach them. Posting such videos on Connect will probably never be seen by a single spammer!

I wish there were some incentives from Google to motivate Maps users to educate themselves in different ways.

Cheers

Morten

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Great Idea @Mikeinthefalls They wouldn’t listen

Hi @MelTG

If the spammer is not stopped / blocked / removed now, please PM me the link to his/her Maps profile and I will try to escalate this further.

Cheers

Morten

@MelTG ,

I just read this post and am sorry you and others have had to deal with it. I’m not aware of it happening to me.

How did you discover it?

@TerryPG and @Mikeinthefalls

Would that be a long photo walk off a short pier? :thinking:

One of the things I love about this forum is how many people offer help.

Best Regards to everyone