Where have all my orange dotted lines gone?

Dear Google Maps enthusiasts, dear “roaders,”

recently, with the assistance of some dedicated friends from the TRAC Team @JustJake , @PrasadVR and @Berete1 we conducted tests on creating new roads in isolated areas. My curiosity led me to explore the process of establishing roads in regions not connected to an existing road network.

The specific focus of our inquiry was on the creation of roads that are not connected to existing ones (white roads). I embarked on this test because, in my road-creating endeavors, I frequently encountered areas where roads seemed to lead to nowhere and were not connected. I wondered whether advancements in AI might have altered the approval dynamics, particularly for roads covered by trees or in the shadows.

Identifying a suitable area at coordinates 39.19396392801242, 65.74163667661794, we diligently drew new roads with a singular rule: one road per submission.

Upon completion, our collective efforts resulted in a map that looked like this:

However, despite receiving “Thank you for submitting” emails and initially seeing our orange dotted lines, all our work vanished after some time. To date, our efforts remain missing. JustJake and I replicated the test, only to encounter the same outcome.

We are reaching out to seek your insights into this perplexing issue.

Has anyone experienced a similar phenomenon or have an idea about what might be happening?

----- A SMALL BUT USEFUL HINT -----

For prolific “Heavy Roaders” who typically draw over 100 new roads a day, discerning whether a specific road will be approved is nearly impossible, as approval emails lack links to the respective roads. To ensure we receive confirmation emails for the test routes, we implemented a simple yet effective strategy: we changed the language of the system. This way, all communications related to roads created for the test are now received in the new language.

Thank you for taking the time to read through this inquiry.

Thanks

Marco

@ErmesT @MortenCopenhagen @SholaIB

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All in the name of Roader Science, @MarcoDavoli !

If any Googler is listening, we need to know what is happening with our Edits list! Whether we add 1 or 100 roads a day, having them listed was integral to filling in areas (the need for the main road) or understanding what we were not doing correctly in our edits. This ‘Bug’ is killing productivity.

@MortenCopenhagen 's thoughts on directly linking from the approval email are great, but at the very least, we need the edits back in the Edit List!

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Hi @MarcoDavoli

I remember @ErmesT to have repeatedly recommended to only add roads that can be connected to existing roads.

Thanks to your test we now know that this is still the case.

Keep in mind that local authorities can enter into a geo upload partnership where I believe it is possible to add unconnected roads. But in real life is there such a thing? One strategy could be to create the needed roads to existing roads first.

Cheers

Morten

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Oh, really @MarcoDavoli There should be a link between the email and the approved road to help us understand why a particular route is approved or rejected, this will be very useful for those who draw the roads s

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Hi @MarcoDavoli , and sorry for the delay in responding to Morten’s tag (Thanks @MortenCopenhagen ). I took a few days of “vacation”, but here I am.
In Google Maps you can certainly find roads that are not connected to other roads, at least in the following countries:

  • Bangladesh
  • DR Congo
  • Ethiopia
  • India
  • Indonesia
  • Kenya
  • Myanmar (Burma)
  • Nepal
  • Nigeria
  • Pakistan
  • South Africa
  • Tanzania
  • Uganda
  • Venezuela

The reason is easy to explain: These are countries where we can map with Road Mapper, and since we only map a specific quadrant it could happen that we add roads that are not yet connected to other roads.
Below, by way of example, is a screenshot with my latest contribution (Approved)

The help page of Road Mapper clearly mention that “Roads should lead to at least one destination, like a landmark or building, or be connected to other roads by intersections or thoroughfares”, so a “Not Connected” road [when the drawing is completed] should not exist.

This is even more true with the Google Maps Road Editor, where we are not limited in our edit to a single quadrant with approximately 700 meters per side.

So I am not surprised if the edits disappeared, even if I would find more appropriate to reject them and flag the edits as “not accepted”.

However there is an issue that can explain what is going on: I’ve noticed that from time to time, especially in areas where I’ve added numerous roads, some dotted orange lines don’t appear when I return to the same area in edit mode. To make them appear, I enter edit mode in an adjacent area and then drag the page to the position that interests me. At that point the lines “magically” appear. It seems to be one of the problems linked to the one we know well relating to the loading of information in an area, better known as “Oops error”.

Can you kindly do a check?

Can you also clear up another doubt for me? With a zoom to 100 meters the existing [white] streets are not seen in the editor. To view them you need to have a minimum zoom of 50 meters
Here below the area with a zoom at 100 m, like in your screenshot

Same area with a zoom at 50 meters

Looks like some of your orange roads were approved already :smiley:

As an additional note about copyright, I would like to remind everyone that Maps requires to always share our screenshots including the bottom part of the screen, where the ownership of the image (Copyright) is mentioned

Shame on me @ErmesT ,

started to replay and then lost and forgot to send the message… sorry.

I start using roadmapper since few weeks and so I’m a quite new to this. Reading you precious post and using roadmapper I clear all my doubt now.

I’d enountered you same issue: "I’ve noticed that from time to time, especially in areas where I’ve added numerous roads, some dotted orange lines don’t appear when I return to the same area in edit mode. To make them appear, I enter edit mode in an adjacent area and then drag the page to the position that interests me. At that point the lines “magically” appear…"

Ooops Error

I do not think that can be related to the “Ooops Error”.

I’m sure that is related to my account. After 130-140 submission I got the error. I’m registering all the activities since 3 months. The following table is from 8 of Jan - I do always get this error after a certain amount of “Thanks for submitting…” mail…

Test

After getting “Ooops Error” I switched to another account (That I use for testing). I added roads and get an higher number of mails but never get an Ooops Error.

Submitted this to the support center but… till today no answer.

KEEP DRAWING

As you saw I keep drawing roads but my activities is really slow due to this.

Zoom Level

Yes, you need to be at 50 meters zoom level to see them. No matter the resolution of the area (In some case you can clearly cars…)

Copyright

Thanks for the warning. I always use a full image when I share something “outside”. I’ll do also when sharing here in LGC.

Ciao e grazie di tutto.

A presto

Marco