Photos or Videos -Which shall I post? Part 2

Before you continue with this post please review @mikeinthefalls post Photos or Videos -Which shall I post? You will get much more out of this post if you do this. In this post he considers the pros and cons of photos vs videos and suggests ways of making the best choice about which to submit

For the last three months I have been obsessed with experimenting with videos for Maps. The burning questions: Does it make sense to submit a lot of videos to Maps and what makes them appeal to the AI

I recently spent two weeks in the New Seabury area of Cape Cod. It is a very popular tourist location. I have tracked the photos and videos that I posted at 24 POI. In a couple of cases I only posted one or the other. I did not include POI’s where I just shot a storefront photo. I have included a link to the POI. In most cases my videos and photos are at the beginning of the gallery, but you can find them under the latest or video tabs. Or you look at my Google Local Guide profile and look at the photo tab sorted by date. The images have been up between 2 and 14 days. Below is a table showing my stats. I am not going to say much more about the results for 2 reasons:

  • because I’m still considering the implications.
  • I am hoping you will go in and look at some of the photos and videos and then post your thoughts on them

I can’t wait to hear what you all have to say!

I have included notes (link is in the 2nd column) regarding some of the POI.

Later in the month I will post an updated table.

Since the formatting for this table is so bad (it’s somewhat better in landscape), I am including a link to Google sheets workbook, which has this table and the raw data sheet in it.

All stats are for Rednewt74 only


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Totals all POI’s: 83 60,193 725 57 55,254 969
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South Cape Wine And Spirits 0 0 N/A N/A 0 3 1,462 487 705
The Black Dog Heights Cafe Note-1 7 16,223 Y
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2,318 14,793 3 1,086 362 913
QuiltCorner Studio Y 4 776 194 517 4 967 242 501
Captain Cone’s Ice Cream 6 1,736 289 1,218 1 101 101 101
Emma’s Sugar Shack Y 7 773 Y 110 237 4 375 94 144
L.L.Bean Note-3 0 0 N/A N/A 0 5 1,353 271 1,061
Fox + Kit Children’s Boutique 1 47 47 47 2 2,081 1,041 1,120
Seaside Scoops Y 3 1,251 Y 417 621 2 525 263 441
Ghelfi’s Candies & Ice Cream 1 32 32 32 2 1,908 954 975
Smitty’s Homemade Ice Cream Note-2 3 2,112 Y, but from last year 704 1,900 1 787 787 787
Snowy Owl Coffee Roasters Note-4 6 1,891 315 1,337 4 13,745 3,436 6,348
Polar Cave Ice Cream Parlour Note-2 10 3,817 382 1,323 1 5,677 5,677 5,677
The Coffee Bah Note-4 Y 9 6,301 700 1,708 4 6,211 1,553 3,713
Mashpee Thrift Shop Note-5 Y 4 14,969 Video is #1; photo is #2 3,742 12,156 1 4,020 4,020 4,020
Mashpee Public Library Note-6 Y 4 5,125 1,281 4,395 3 2,451 817 1,642
Stop & Shop 0 0 N/A N/A 0 4 8,271 2,068 3,875
Christ the King Parish 2 61 Y, but from last year 31 32 1 1,636 1,636 1,636
Roche Brothers 0 0 N/A N/A 0 2 414 207 386
Popponesset Beach Co Y 2 523 262 281 2 94 47 77
Wicked Restaurant 4 962 241 564 3 1,325 442 917
Crafty Kids Toy Store Y 1 229 229 229 3 529 176 224
Seaside Ice cream Note-2 5 2,847 569 1,911 0 0 N/A 0
Botanical Boutique Y 4 518 130 200 2 236 118 126
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Note-1:

This just goes to show that a good storefront shot will usually outperform a video by a large margin.

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Note-2: Portrait mode, close ups of ice-cream are very popular

Note-3: I originally added a storefront (90° corner view) photo of this LL Bean store. It turned out that it wasn’t the main entrance and I found my photo down about #100 with several similar shots by other guides. So I decided to try videos instead. I deleted my original photo.

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Note-4: I shot several short clips/videos of baristas making coffee. I used the cinematic pan mode on my Pixel 7 pro, which slows the video by 50%. I then put them together in Capcut. They seem to be doing quite well. At the Coffee Bah my video was 1 minute long, so I split it. The 2nd part was getting many more views than the 1st part, even though I thought it was less interesting. I thought it might have been because the thumbnail of the 1st part wasn’t very interesting. I used Capcut to force a different thumbnail and replaced the original. Too early to tell if it will make a difference.

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Note-5: I created a photo montage (a video composed of photos) that starts with a storefront shot, then a closeup of their hours, followed by some interior shots. This video is actually in the #1 position, followed by the much more highly viewed interior photo. My guess is that the video is first, because the thumbnail looks like a storefront photo.

Note-6: The cover photo of this library was a closeup of their hours sign. I couldn’t believe it. I now have the top 6 spots in their gallery

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Hi @Rednewt74

Kindly add some more words on your headings in the table. “Total” is that the total added by you or all Maps users? I feel I need to guess, and it would be nice to know.

Then I will happy to dig in.

Cheers

Morten

@MortenCopenhagen ,

I’m away from my desk. I will add info later.

All totals relate to my images only.

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@MortenCopenhagen

Table formatting in Connect is not very flexible. I have added more information. Please let me know if you have any questions.

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Thanks for tagging my post @Rednewt74

You’ve taken the idea behind my post and put some legitimate work into discovering if there’s a true, concise answer. It took me a moment to decipher the layout of the table, but you’ve got loads of quantifiable data in there!

Possibly @AdamGT can give you some pointers on table formatting? I haven’t ever taken the time to figure out it myself, so your initial leap into Connect charts is impressive. I do feel it could be made a bit more readable and that would attract more Local Guides and discussion.

We’re heading for a few days at the beach in the morning and I’m going to take some time to take a deeper look at your stats. But I’m seeing some trends, already.

Nice work!

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@Mikeinthefalls ,

Thank you for the feedback and taking the time to read this.

I just pasted a Google sheet into the post. It’s readable on a desktop, not so much on a phone. Looking at it in landscape helps a little.

Enjoy the beach and good luck on beach glass hunting.

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Ok, I’ll give it a look on Chrome in desktop mode. I wish Connect was more consistent across desktop and mobile platforms.

Thanks! We’re heading to Myrtle Beach, first time I’ve been there in over 30 years. I’m not sure what their glass conditions are, but eyes are always on the lookout! Mostly just looking forward to relaxing in sun, sea and sand.

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@Mikeinthefalls , have fun. I used to go to Myrtle Beach as a kid, 50+ yrs. It’s a pretty wild scene there.

Hi @Rednewt74

Thinking aloud while reading your table:

Is this correctly understood:

To South Cape Wine And Spirits you did not upload any still photos for this test (Then Star photo views should be N/A and not 0, right?). You uploaded 3 videos. One of them is currently the cover pix/vid. It has 705 views and three videos have 1462 views together.

Column Av View/ video for each P.O.I is not providing any additional info as it is 1362 divided by 3, right?

For The Black Dog Heights Cafe the 14,793 mentioned under Photo @#1? is not needed, right?

You uploaded 7 pics, one became the cover photos. It got 14,793 views while the 7 photos together got 16,223 views.

Why don’t you include the total number of photos (and maybe reviews) under each pin? I think this is relevant when considering how well your photos and videos are doing. But if your focus is the relative performance of pics vs. videos, I rest my case on this.

Please help me understand why you included the average views for both stills and videos. It is just to compare the relative performance? If so, I think the same numbers calculated for all your videos and pics (across all 24 POIs) will be enough/better. Ideally, you should have uploaded the same number of pics and vids to each pin.

In the last column, Star video views, I’m unsure if you mean your best-performing video or if this video is actually the cover pix/vid for the pin.

The above comments and questions are just to make sure I understand your data. Now to some substance comments:

Under Fox + Kit Children’s Boutique I wonder if the relative better performance of videos is because your single photo is bad, or because there are a ton of pics already uploaded to the pin. But it is interesting that your 2 videos get 20 times more views than your still photo. Could it be because there are not a lot of videos already uploaded to the pin or are your videos of a quality preferred by the AI? Or is it simply a consequence of the new focus on videos on Google Maps in general?

Are there any interesting lessons we can learn by looking at the 4 videos you uploaded to Snowy Owl Coffee Roasters? One got a lot more views than the other 3.

I watched your cover video uploaded to Mashpee Thrift Shop. Some of the video is based on still images, and it has some loud music. I think it will be difficult to draw conclusions from your test when you are changing so many parameters in one test.

Conclusion:

I think you will need to reduce the number of parameters you vary to be able to draw conclusions. We might find it easier to understand your data if you remove all POIs where you only uploaded only videos or only still photos. And I think the video style /(montage vs. “normal” videos) could warrant its own test.

I’m looking very much forward to reading your conclusions from this test after your follow-up. Kindly tag me when you post them.

Cheers

Morten

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I’m going to shoot some photos and videos while there and do a little testing, as well. Working on a list of POI now

Was in Hollywood the weekend before last and it’s a rare occurrence to find glass there. So much sand and the water is almost never calm. However I had a nice surprise on my morning sunrise stroll and ended up with 4 solid pieces.

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@MortenCopenhagen

Thank you for taking the time to delve into my post. I will try and address the questions or concerns that you raised.

MC:

To South Cape Wine And Spirits you did not upload any still photos for this test (Then Star photo views should be N/A and not 0, right?). You uploaded 3 videos. One of them is currently the cover pix/vid. It has 705 views and three videos have 1462 views together.

Rn74: Yes, the star views should show N/A. I simply did not take the time to create a formula to do so.

Your interpretation of the numbers is correct, however they now total 4,051 with a star view of 2,331. The question about cover pix/vid is interesting. When I open the South Cape Wine And Spirits on my Chromebook it defaults to an aerial view of the store, but the view is not shown in the gallery. In both the main gallery and the video tab, the star photo is at #2, behind another of my videos.

MC:

Column Av View/ video for each P.O.I is not providing any additional info as it is 1362 divided by 3, right?

Rn74: Well,it does show the average which is not shown elsewhere. I do agree that given the small number of items being averaged, it isn’t providing very useful information.

MC:

For The Black Dog Heights Cafe the 14,793 mentioned under Photo @#1? is not needed, right?You uploaded 7 pics, one became the cover photos. It got 14,793 views while the 7 photos together got 16,223 views.

Rn74: The star photo is not always the photo with the most views. I wanted to emphasize that the star photo (a bar shot not a storefront) had a disproportionate amount of views. Perhaps the emphasis was unnecessary.

MC:

Why don’t you include the total number of photos (and maybe reviews) under each pin? I think this is relevant when considering how well your photos and videos are doing. But if your focus is the relative performance of pics vs. videos, I rest my case on this.

Rn74: Some of these POI (perhaps most) have large photo galleries, but almost none had large video galleries. I felt my summary table was already getting unwieldy, but if someone provides the data for each POI, I would be glad to add it. It would be historical, as I plan on doing a follow up table, which would require new numbers and I plan on dropping some of the POI’s.

MC:

Please help me understand why you included the average views for both stills and videos. It is just to compare the relative performance? If so, I think the same numbers calculated for all your videos and pics (across all 24 POIs) will be enough/better. Ideally, you should have uploaded the same number of pics and vids to each pin.

Rn74: Yes, I wanted to emphasize the difference (or similarity) in performance between the two types of posts. Probably for reasons similar to AdamGT creating separate star albums. I am not concerned about the overall performance of my posts (combined video/photo) but since you asked the total combined posts is 140 the combined views is 115,447 and the av combined views is 825. Perhaps a matching number of videos & photos would have been of value, if applying a scientific method, however, I was applying a real world approach; so I only took and posted photos that I believed would add value to the POI. For LL Bean for example my storefront photo was buried down around #100 in the gallery with several almost identical shots; therefore I deleted it and only left the videos. I felt LL Bean’s colorful displays lent themselves to the type of videos I am currently testing.

MC*:*

In the last column, Star video views, I’m unsure if you mean your best-performing video or if this video is actually the cover pix/vid for the pin.

Rn74: In the table both Star photo and star video refer only to my posts. This why I included the column regarding occupying the #1 position. Since it is so rare for a video I did not include this column for videos, but just added a note to #1 place column.

MC:

Under Fox + Kit Children’s Boutique I wonder if the relative better performance of videos is because your single photo is bad, or because there are a ton of pics already uploaded to the pin.

Rn74: My storefront photo is #21 in their gallery. Of the top 20, all but #2 (one of my videos) is by the business owner. These 20 include several storefront photos that are either outdated or of another of their stores (those photos have yellow clapboard siding with white trim on the windows).

In the interest of improving my work, would you please suggest how I could have improved my storefront photo? (The lighting was such that I could not get a straight on shot due to my reflection in the window).

MC:

But it is interesting that your 2 videos get 20 times more views than your still photo. Could it be because there are not a lot of videos already uploaded to the pin or are your videos of a quality preferred by the AI? Or is it simply a consequence of the new focus on videos on Google Maps in general?

Rn74: Ah, so there’s the rub! These are the real questions that need to be answered. Although I don’t study every site I post to, I have yet to see one with what I would call a lot of videos. This site (Fox & Kit) had none. A lot being?? (10, 20, 50, more??). I have not tracked it, but it often seems that my videos are the first ones posted or double or triple the number of existing videos. As @mikeinthefalls has pointed out, it is pretty clear that the AI is plastering videos into the #2 spot in many POI’s galleries, if the location has some recent ones. Of course, I’d like to believe that what I am doing is “checking the right AI boxes”, in addition to me creating well framed, color corrected, and stabilized videos that focus on some detail of the POI in a way that naturally invites the viewer to click on the thumbnail. As we both know, we can improve our odds, but the AI’s nuances will be forever hidden.

MC:

Are there any interesting lessons we can learn by looking at the 4 videos you uploaded to Snowy Owl Coffee Roasters? One got a lot more views than the other 3.

Rn74: Hard to say. My current video star is now at 10,474 views, #1 in the gallery, #2 on the video tab, A very similar video with 2,226 views (the ending featuring Lemon Lavender Scones vs #1 which ends featuring Black Bean Empanadas) is #7 in the gallery, but #1 on the video tab. Since the featured baked goods are at the end of the videos, I don’t think it’s a gastronomic based difference. My guess would be its position in the main gallery. But on the other hand, my 2nd place video with 6,413 views (pour over coffee making) is not listed in the top 50 of the main gallery, but is #4 under videos (falling below one of a latte making video (by me) with 108 views); and #3 under the “latest” tab falling between the two baked goods videos. Perhaps after more time things will be clearer, but I doubt it.

MC:

I watched your cover video uploaded to Mashpee Thrift Shop. Some of the video is based on still images, and it has some loud music.

Rn74: The default maps video player is with audio off, so users will only hear audio by choice. At mid volume settings on my phone or Chromebook the music is not loud to me. There is no need (and probably no value) in adding a music track to a montage or video that is shot in a mode that does not capture audio. For Maps videos I am shooting almost exclusively in my Pixel 7 pro cinematic pan mode which does not record audio. I just have a personal thing about publishing videos with no audio. I’ve found Capcut easy to use for all parts of editing; trimming, re-framing (both static and dynamic), zooming in on a still image (the Ken Burns effect), adding stabilization, sharpening; and exposure, contrast and color correction. Once I’ve decided on a free track to use, it takes me less than a minute to add, trim, and fade it.

MC: Conclusion:

I think it will be difficult to draw conclusions from your test when you are changing so many parameters in one test.

Rn74: Conclusion:

As to too many parameters, you are probably right. I agree the question of montage vs video needs to be explored, as does landscape vs portrait. My star video is a landscape montage (no audio). At some POI I have been creating very similar landscape and portrait montages and watching to see if there are any predictable results. As time consuming as it is producing videos (traditional or montage), at this time I’m not prepared to submit duplicate videos on a frequent basis.

A more scientific approach would most likely provide better data more quickly. @AZ_2021 has done some on the issue of landscape vs portrait (Testing AI Video Preferences in an Arizona Park). If no one else is (or is considering) producing montages, then the testing is only significant to me.

When I plan in advance to shoot a POI these days, I look at the current #1 photo, evaluate the quality of the primary storefront photo, look to see if the owner is posting a lot of their own photos, and what the situation is for videos. For me the specific location and conditions determine my choice regarding landscape vs portrait and still vs video vs montage. In the course of experimenting I am not willing to spend the time or energy producing images that I don’t think (or at least hope) will be helpful to Map users. As I see the results and successes of other video focused guides, I will expand the things that I try and see how they work for me.

MortenCopehagen, thank you again for your interest in my work and such thoughtful questions.

Best Regards,

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@Rednewt74 @Mikeinthefalls What is this beach glass hunting you guys are chatting about? I live on a Caribbean island surrounded by beach, and this doesn’t resonate with me.

@tony_b ,

When we walk the beach we’re looking for a small pieces of glass that have been polished and frosted by the waves. As people use more and more plastic and less glass it’s become harder to find. Here’s some that I found recently in Massachusetts.

I believe @Mikeinthefalls finds it one of the great lakes as well.

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@MortenCopenhagen @Rednewt74 This analysis is quite deep. I have 32 videos now but I haven’t done this type of comparison on them. In most instances where I do both a photo and a video, the photo still gets the most views. I don’t think I’ll be doing any montages, so won’t be able to compare there.

In terms of anomalies, what do you think would explain an instance where my photo is at #3 in the POI gallery and my video is at #10, and the video has more views??

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Hi @tony_b

I guess this could be a reflection of Google Maps’ decision to show more videos.

I often see places on mobile where a video is shown as #2.

But this is me just guessing.

Cheers

Morten

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@tony_b ,

Look at the latest tab and the video tab. Your video may be first on these. Also, I’ve seen plenty of places where the #1 photo doesn’t have the most views.

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@tony_b ,

There is no video equivalent of getting the number one slot on an active site. They almost always greatly outperform a video. That being said, on sites where I don’t get the number one slot lately my videos have been outperforming my photos. Haven’t been very observant about numbers lately maybe that’ll be a November project.

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@Rednewt74 You may be correct.

There’s no Latest tab, but on the Video tab mine is the only one.