Local Painful Story

I meet many fellow Local Guides online that are in pain.

Most people that are active on Local Guides Connect are aware that the moment your Local Guides account is suspended, you are no longer able to post or comment on this platform. This means that those Local Guides that find their account suspended end up crying for help on social media.

As a moderator and admin of an unofficial Local Guides community on Facebook, I encounter a lot of suspended Local Guides. Many reach out to me in private. These individuals are often in a state of shock, despair, disbelief and emotional pain when I start talking to them. In many cases the suspended fellow Local Guide doesn’t understand what happened. They are convinced that they didn’t break any rules.

Time and time again I offer to look at their contributions and I am sorry to say that I have yet to see a single account where I could not point at obvious poor contributions. In many cases, when I present the facts to the suspended Local Guide, they are typically overwhelmed with feelings of regret, anger, sadness and again despair: “Can I be saved?” or “What to do? Please help!”

“I put so much time and hard work into Maps…”

It makes me very sad to see so many fellow Local Guides that volunteered their valuable time ending up in this situation.

Of course, I am not talking about the clear-cut spammers that show complete disrespect for Google Maps with their contributions. I am not sure what they are trying to get out of their abusive activities, but I don’t feel sorry for them. However, there are a lot of Local Guides that get caught - and rightfully so - who were simply ignorant of the rules and guidelines until someone told them AFTER they were suspended…

For example, many Local Guides don’t seem to understand what a good review comprises. I am Dutch and it is in my DNA to judge products and services, as Dutch people generally are very direct with their feedback, generally with the aim to improve the receiver of that feedback. But in our multicultural society, giving feedback, be it positive or negative, doesn’t come as natural to everyone.

Intellectual property is highly protected and respected in countries as Holland and the USA. But there are many countries around the world where these values are not the same. One way this manifests is that some Local Guides seriously think they are doing Google Maps a service to find photos of places by professional photographers. Sometimes these images are directly downloaded from the companies website of the POI.

Yes, I have read those guidelines and it states that being ignorant is no excuse. I agree. But how many Local Guides fully educate themselves before making their first contribution on Google Maps? The moment they have made their first contribution they get blinded by the encouraging emails as part of the gamification. More about that later…

The sad thing is that for many suspended Local Guides it takes a long time before they get caught and thus they waste unnecessarily more of their time. Why does the algorithm not target every Local Guide before they hit level four: the moment we earn our first public official Local Guides badge?

“Why does the algorithm not target every Local Guide before they hit level four?”

Perhaps instead of suspending Local Guides when the bot discovers their poor contributions when novices are still at level 3, they could get a red card with a time-out on the bench? The red card that they receive per email could include the links to all the rules. And please include the mapping rules that are available on the Google My Business forum as well. Local Guides should earn a badge for simply locating all the relevant rules and guidelines :wink:

During the time-out that novices on the bench are unable to contribute they can study the rules and reach out to fellow Local Guides on social media. As good-spirited Local Guides, we are always happy to guide others. Let’s guide and be guided.

It would be so much more humane if people get corrected at the early stages of being a Local Guide. It makes little sense to boot someone out after a long time whilst they have been on the wrong path from almost Day One.

Most Local Guides - good or bad - are highly, emotionally invested in the Local Guides Program. The lack of courtesy in the suspension process feels like a knife in their heart. Google is also acting rather insensitively to the norms and values of different cultures when it comes to the procedures involved. Imagine being forced to expose yourself on Twitter or Facebook when you are from certain cultures!

Sometimes, when I look at a suspended account, I wonder whether the other person is from Mars. I mean, really: “You thought you were not breaking any rules?” But then I step back and realize that Google Maps is used by lots of people with different (cultural) backgrounds and levels of education and/or ability. After all, everyone above 18 qualifies to become a Local Guide. For some, this is clearly not enough, at least without help and guidance.

What might be obvious to me, may not be obvious to someone else (and vice versa). I am familiar with American culture and Western (corporate) norms and values: those standards that are applied by Google.

Since we don’t all have exactly the same norms and values, it is my opinion that it is Google’s responsibility to provide what the Spaniards so beautifully call: “formación” (training).

The lack of training and the rude awakening for any suspended Local Guide may mean a permanent “Game Over” without warning at level 8. How many hours on average does a Local Guide invest in Google Maps to make it to level 8?!

My point is, if the Google bots can recognize poor contributions at level 8, so should they at level 3.

It gets worse…

Imagine that you are employed by a large professional company and that you get frequent feedback from your manager. Time and time again you are cheered on and overloaded with praise. Getting fired “out of the blue” because of poor job performance would come as a shock, right?

It so happens that the gamification of the Local Guides Program is set up to send frequent emails that applaud Local Guides for their achievements. Have you ever seen the email: “Great Job: your photo is popular!”? It seems that this random email goes out to people for photos that actually do not abide by the rules and guidelines. My question is: if the Google bot can spot poor contributions, why not use the same filter before sending out these inappropriate encouragements?

“If the Google bot can spot poor contributions, why not use the same filter before sending out these inappropriate encouragements?”

I think I have made my point. I shared my main solution in the Idea Exchange here.

I specifically posted my personal local story here, because I should like to hear from other Local Guides what their take is on this painful issue.

Thank you.

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Namskar…

** @JeroenM **

Great… Post you shared, thanks…

Same feeling to read your post, I can understand what pain they gothough, those day very obvious its happen, & we are helpless to do help for them…

Your post timing & feeling touch my heart, hopefully Google team also understand…

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Namskar…

** @JeroenM **

Perfect your Point,

“If the Google bot can spot poor contributions, why not use the same filter before sending out these inappropriate encouragements?”

???

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Very well-said @JeroenM . I greatly appreciate this post.

I also have found out about a bunch of suspended LG accounts from Indonesia lately. At first I thought it just happened in Indonesia.

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@JeroenM This is true. LG should be forced to read the important rules of contributions at the very first as we do for installing the software. Most of the LGs do not read those long rules and policy. The can send periodic emails about those policies so everyone knows. And I know it hurts when we see we are suspended after investing so much time.

I am looking forward to your idea.

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I see where my thinking and ways of writing come from now. Holland. One of my Greats grandma is from Rotterdam.

I knew it wasn’t from England where I live!

Yes when I see some of the reviews by others I understand why the Bot does what it does.

@JeroenM

:clap::clap::clap:

Kol

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I always try my best to make double check for what will I contribute for… Either about my photos, review and ratings or any facts that I have. I hope it is good enough to runaway from get suspended. Don’t be lazy to review back what you wrote about… It will be better than you contribute something that will make it waste.

Thanks for guiding us @JeroenM

Read this good article @Saidulkarim , @br14n , @ahadilugo @Kol-Colleen_2018 and @IshantHP_ig as our guide before too late.

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@Nur85 thank you very much for the nice compliment.
We can help affected Local Guides by guiding them where they went wrong and urge them to clean their account. However, it would save so much time and energy if this was done at an early stage. Most suspended Local Guides that I help are level 8 or higher. That is an awful lot of contributions to check and/or correct…

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@Shrut19 Thank you for your support.
To me, it makes no sense that people are encouraged and applauded in response to what clearly are poor contributions. It totally leaves the wrong impression with the Local Guide on the wrong path.

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Thank you @AdriansyahPutera . It affects Local Guides around the world. In some cases, it makes people depressed. Many of the sufferings could be prevented IMHO.

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@SaifIS I know that many people get caught up in the doing and reaching those milestones, rather than doing boring, dry homework.
However, it is pretty clear that when people are getting suspended, they are highly motivated to learn and fix things. Google could make the journey a lot kinder and efficient for themselves with a lot less damaging poor content if this wake-up-call occurred early on.

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Hahaha @Kol-Colleen_2018 :slight_smile:
Yes, reviewing is something that often needs some guidance. It is not only duplicate photos that I come across. I have seen people copying Wikipedia, giving definitions for categories or give 5 stars and simply say great food (no added value)…

Thank you for your support.

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@JeroenM

Es un gran tema el que usted plantea aquí .Sí, es emocionalmente muy doloroso.Un ex- Local Guides me dijo que en su cultura ser Local Guides es un tema de honor. Los duelos emocionales por las suspensiones , a veces duran muchos meses, hasta que pierdes contacto con ellos. Desde los niveles más bajos hasta los niveles 10.

Son historias de varios paĂ­ses.

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@LuaPL comentarios tempranos, cortesía y formación, son palabras clave que vienen a la mente…

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@JeroenM

Education is a subject that you raised up in the past and, even if we disagreed sometime about the method, we both agreed about the principle. I spend several hours everyday in Connect, as this was, and still, my choice for supporting and educating Local Guides, so I can give you some feedback.

I have seen many people, many post, many contributions, and for sure I can tell you that, in some way, Local Guides Connect is a true mirror of Google Maps. I have seen people posting photos and text in here, not respecting copyright rules. In here we inform about rules, and Google Moderators simply remove the post, linking the rules. Is because moderators are bad guys? No, is because in this way they can teach them, through experience, in a not painful way, what the rules are, and how to follow them.

While I was reading your post, minutes ago, I noticed the preview of another one, that was clear spam. Before to respond to you, I removed the spam and, as I always do, I checked first who was giving likes to a spammer. Sadly, I have to say that some like was coming from people that gave a like also to your post. This makes me thinking, not about your post, of course, and the big effort that you are putting on your daily support to the Local Guides. But I am asking to myself what they understood of your content: that more education is needed? Or that you do not want Local Guides to be banned?

I will not enter with personal note on the part that you are clearly addressing to Google, as I am, like you, just a Local Guide that want to help. BTW, making some calculation, I can say that a LG can reach L2 with a long review, or 3 photos, L3 with 2 reviews and 7 photos. Do you really think that is always possible to find a not appropriate set of contribution al L2 or 3? Maybe over L5 (20 reviews, 20 photos) you can have a bit of consistency, don’t you agree? What do we have to say to a LG that contributed for the first time posting by mistake the photos of a party?

On an extra note: I always refuse to check the profile of a banned LG, for the simple and elementary reason that what we see is a profile that has been already cleaned, the not appropriate contributions already flagged as “private”. So, the feedback the we give to the LG, is useless

But, again, education is needed, I agree

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@ErmesT I learn something from you every week! I did not know contributions could be marked as “private” or that profiles were cleaned out!

I’ve looked at the profiles of now-banned LG’s, but only because two of them had dinner with me the first night at Connect Live last year, and I could not fathom either of them making mistakes. (After reviewing, I learned nothing about infractions but did admire them more… lol)

@lakeoftea and I have had a couple of nights on the phone, going through the guidelines together and reviewing each other’s activities in search of low-quality contributions or broken rules. (We always find something to improve!)

We learn something new every day!

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Hi,

@JeroenM

and at all others and the Googlers.

Thank you, Jeroen for this great contribution in a time of immense pain from many Local Guides on high levels. Also, I’m a moderator and admin of unofficial Local Guide groups on Facebook and therefore experience it also very seriously. I am also contacted by desperate Local Guides in private. I recently spent half the night reviewing the account of a suspended Level 9 - Local Guide and explaining to him why it was suspended - it was clear! Now he can start revising his account and then ask Google for review on social media.

I can only agree with what Jeroen says. I also want to emphasize, that I am in favor of training and education for Local Guides! For this you could use the novice time from the 1st to the 3rd level, so that Local Guides can learn all the essentials to be able to really do a very good job on Google Maps. Of course, all rules and guidelines for Local Guides should be included in this. I even go a step further by saying, that I would find it useful if Local Guides would have to take an exam before earning the first real star, that is, before they acquired the 1st real local guide badge, proving that they have read and understood all the rules and guidelines and that they have learned how to write a very good review, for example, and what are the criteria for the rating and more - you can expand that.

I’m really worried about the terrible pain, that we leaders of unofficial Local Guide groups in social networks are experiencing almost daily at the moment - suspended Local Guides at level 8 and higher in a state of total shock and despair - please, I am here to avoid this pain in the future!

We experience it live and often my tears come - I have a big heart!

If you fail the exam, there will be no extra time spending in the Local Guides program. I’m at level 8 myself, and I know how much free time a Local Guide puts into the program until it gets this far. Even more serious are the many suspended Level 10 Local Guides. And I would also like to say ,that the frequent e-mails falsely weigh many local guides in a security. My suspended group member a few days ago wrote to me, “I do not understand, I’ve always been praised.” Praising e-mails should only come when a Local Guide has achieved something special and not on a regular basis and certainly not that often.

Google servers would not be so burdened, which can not distribute the e-mails fair in the state of their high load running anyway. Some receive an e-mail every week and others non for months. That is also unfair. It would be better to send these emails anyway only to special results.

This were my thoughts and my ideas about this very painful topic.

Warmest greetings from Marburg in Germany,

Jacky

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@Nur85 thank you so much for tagging me on this awesome article, out of curiosity did you perhaps see any vivid mistakes of my profile could urgently work on? I dont mind being criticized I love the principle of allowing others to guided you as you guide. @JeroenM you really have done a spectacular job my friend and I support many of the suggestions shared on this post.

@ErmesT I know you had recently shared some good advice on a question I asked around how local guides can avoid being suspended but here are some great ideas from Jeroen I met him and Nur85 on our unofficial world fb page and they have been awesome. Perhaps we can adopt some of these solutions? I look forward to your thoughts as a moderator.

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Thanks, @Nur85 for mentioning me here, Our goal is to provide accurate information about a place, We should be more diligent.

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@JeroenM , very nice post. I didn’t know about the suspended account. Thanks for guiding us. I always check before posting any photos or reviews. From now onwards, I will be more careful.

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