Google indiscriminate policies of approval

I have along time posted in Google maps according the established rules. For my surprise time I get a post with some months alive removed by infringing the rules. I make my apeal and the post comes alive again.

1 - Why it happens with posts more than one year old ?

2 - Why after disturbing me with it comes the positive apeal result and the post comes again to live?

Note - I have my chronological tracking on so no doubts about my presence. In opposite side I participate Google about fake posts giving clear evidences and the fact its confirmed by Google even with photo and sites evidences?

I starting to be said with this discrimination and my voluntary work for Google maps users may be finish because of those attitudes that are unclear and discriminatory.

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Hi @ArturVictoria

Don’t take it personally. These are actions taken by machines.

I took a look at your public reviews, and I might have spotted what could trigger the filter.

A lot of your reviews consist of a very short sentence that is equal to a general remark. This is not the way to make authentic and trustworthy reviews.

Examples:

“Very good restaurant. Reccomended.”

All Maps users will already know that this is a restaurent. You failed to mention any interesting details that can prove you were really there. Also, I would expect some details on why you recommend this place.

“An historic castle very unique.” This is actually not a review but a statement that could be found on Wikipedia or in a tourist brochure.

“Nice small local museum.”. Again please share what YOU experienced, and how you liked it and why you liked it or disliked it.

Read about typical review guideline violations here. And please see my latest post called 4 Tips on writing better reviews.

Best of luck
Morten

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Hello Morten, this NOT working in a trustfull manner! I also opened a topic regarding the topicstarters questions. The new filtering of google is completely arbitrarily! You are telling about posting some stuff like what we encountered in special - besied this some other guys just do psotings like “Awesome place” and this goes life!? This is totally frustrating! And I am not longer ok with changig my review 1000 times that google thinks it legit. And then here is some posting a :slightly_smiling_face: in review and google says: hell yeah this we must publish of course! This is no good at all! i wont take 5 hours fpr posting one single review anymore!

And noone at Googles side cares about us. it’s a big shame!

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@MortenCopenhagen

If you scroll down my comments you can see that I usually did proper comments about the main qualities of the local and places. However they started early this year to be refused so the only way I could post it was shortning at the ridiculous point to say " a very good restaurant " because if I would extend my comment it was denued to be published. I don’t take advantages - I am just a voluntary - . I appointed you a guy that earns money with shoping centers going inside the shop and taking photos of the items beeing oaid for it. I am a grown person with education and don’t admit insinuations that I take advantages of a act to help others. In the opposite side people tat make money and advantages posting for commerce when I flag them to Google nothing happens… What can you say about this?

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I’m sorry, the levels of frustration and accusations presented above makes me as a volunteer chose to not enggaged further in this discussion.

Best of luck

Morten

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@MortenCopenhagen Sorry for disturbing you. All should be voluntaries without any other interest unless to help others. I recpgnize your good will in your 4 topics article. It’s a very praise one and you point the theory and practise for a good critical review.

I understand that you don’t want to be involved in such critical matters that concearns to Google maps and its users.

Have a Merry Christmas

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Hi @ArturVictoria

It is not simple to respond to your post, and we all share your frustration, also the moderators of this community. Time by time I have to appeal too, to have my reviews reinstated. Unfortunately there is a very serious situation relating to fake reviews, and it is a situation that is pushing all sites that host fake reviews to extreme solutions. After a long analysis I tried to explain “rationally” what is happening in this post: Your review has not been published. Do you know why? . Unfortunately, however, a “rational” analysis does not eliminate the frustration we feel when the review that is “not posted” is ours.

In reality it is also difficult to talk about “rules”, because on the one hand it is true that there are reviews that violate the rules, but on the other it is also true that there are “false” reviews that are written very well, sometimes even "too " well, and this makes the analysis (filter) work almost impossible to do.

​My fear, which I already expressed a long time ago, is that the only solution is to completely eliminate the possibility of reviewing businesses and products.

Why do I say this? Because fake reviews cause enormous damage to both honest businesses and consumers. Because of this damage, committees are being created in many countries, and laws are being created in other countries, to force companies that host online reviews (such as Google, TripAdvisor, Amazon, just to name a few) to remove fake reviews, otherwise they will face lawsuits worth millions of dollars.

Given the millions of reviews written every day (Local Guides alone are more than 150 million), the only way to analyze and filter is necessarily delegated to an AI, with a very very narrow filter.
I know, it’s not easy to say, but so far during the numerous conversations in the community I have been unable to meet almost anyone who, in addition to [rightly] complaining, has also made alternative proposals for analyzing the reviews. The only proposal I remember is written by me, and concerns the request to use a group of Trusted Local Guides who can serve as a reference for the AI to learn to distinguish an honest review from a false one.

Personally, I continue to write reviews, and when they are blocked I appeal. They are usually released in two or three days.

It’s not true that no one at Google cares about the situation. On the contrary, I believe this is one of the most debated points in this period, and not just at Google. The problem, what I tried to explain, is that it is a problem that is not easy to solve.
Someone talked about trust, and personally I agree that a relationship of trust should be established, but under what terms?

There are an infinite number of fake accounts that try to build a reputation by writing “neutral” reviews of parks, monuments, places where no one would go to dispute the content. In this way, those who created them think they can “sell” reliable reviews, written by high-level Local Guides. I’m telling you because I’ve seen them, many have also been registered here in Connect just to seem real. Obviously they don’t write posts, but they appear, they give 10 likes to the first posts they find on the front page, and they think this will make them “credible”. Then groups of these “fake” accounts reviewed businesses in Maps, in groups. Very well written reviews, I want to add.

The solution obviously is not to rewrite the review, @EserA . A “temporary” solution may be to appeal. In this way the reviews are analyzed by an operator and, if they do not violate objective rules, released. This also adds a piece of knowledge to the AI.
But first of all I believe that we need to understand what the “real” problem is, otherwise we will continue to get angry without it leading to anything.

@ArturVictoria , I inform you that I have removed the solution you gave to @EserA answer, as his answer is not the solution to this post.

For more details about the “solution” feature please read: How do I mark comments as solutions?

Of course you are welcome if you have any suggestions on how this problem can be solved. If you do so by replying in my post, it will add to the constructive comments made by others.

Thank you

Ermes

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@ErmesT

Thanks for sharing your experiences and insights on this. Really helpful.

May I add one complicating factor. The filters blocking reviews are not only looking at the individual contributions. So sometimes the reasons for removal can be related to other Maps contributions or patterns of behaviour. In such cases, trying to edit the review text will not work and thus in turn create even more frustrations.

Morten

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Dear @MortenCopenhagen , dear @ErmesT .,

thanks for your very helpful answers. I will continue in german now, because it is my main language and i can so clearify exactly what i want to tell. Please use translator:

Ich habe ales was du gesgat hast verstanden, jedoch funktioniert es bei mir nicht. Egal was ich mache, meine Reviews werden nicht veröffentlicht. Vor dem 07. oder 08. Dezember 2023 konnte ich auch durch einen Einspruch alle meine Reviews wieder herstellen. Ab dem 07. oder 08. Dezember 2023 geht das leider nicht mehr und alle meine Einsrprüche werden abgelehnt. Ich weiß nicht, was an diesem Datum passiert ist. Evtl. ein neues Update von Google?

Auch habe ich folgendes Problem: ich habe nachweislich für 5 oder 6 Reviews erfolgreich einen Einspruch genehmigt bekommen. Wenn ich bei den Reviews auf Details gehe steht da, dass mein Review wieder veröffentlicht wird. Die Reviews sind aber weiterhin offline! Ist das ein Bug? Das ist mega frustrierend, ich weiß nicht mehr was ich noch machen kann…

So sieht meine Bewertung aus: “not posted”.

Das ist die Mail die ich bekommen habe. Das gelb markierte bedeutet “approved”.

Und wenn ich auf Details klicke kommt das hier:

Mein Bewertung ist aber noch immer offline, also was genau ist hier los??

Eine weitere Frage noch an @MortenCopenhagen : was meinst du mit “removal can be related to other Maps contributions or patterns of behaviour”? Mache ich also was falsch? Ich rezensiere sehr gerne Restaurants, da ich wirklich gerne essen gehe. Darf ich nciht zu viele Restaurants nacheinander bewerten, oder ist damit was anderes gemeint?

Lieben GruĂź

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Hi @EserA

Writing in German is perfectly okay. It shows in English on my end automatically.

I will ask the Google Moderators to try to escalate your issue with approved appeals that fail to get implemented. Would you be able to share one more example, and also please include Maps links to the places and links to your review from a desktop computer.

Regarding your last questions, I will mention that this is based on observations and commons sense reasoning and not any inside knowledge from Google.

In the fight against spammers and businesses offering to post fake reviews for business owners for a fee, the spam filter will need to be smarter than just looking at the review texts alone. Factors I can imagine are also looked at include: 1) Is this a newly created account? 2) Is the account created in a region with many spammers (maybe a low-income area)? 3) Are the reviews posted in bursts? 4) Have the profile in the past posted photos with marketing slurs? 5) Are the texts written using poor grammar or overly perfect grammar (AI-generated)? 6) Are contributions coming from suspicious IP addresses? 6) Can negative reviews be linked to owners of competitors in the area (or their friends and family)? 7) Does the user spend an unusual amount of time adding and editing reviews? :sunglasses: Even repeated attempts to fix a review might be looked at too.

Let me emphasize that these are only my guesses in random order. Considering the amount of spam the filters have to deal with and the

number of ill-minded advertisements that offer to create and post fake positive or fake negative reviews such factors are bound to also be considered. Just search for Google Business Profile groups on Facebook or sites like fiverr.com. Some of them even offer a guarantee against fake reviews being removed!

I very much doubt that your problem is related to many of such factors. And adding many restaurant reviews is normally not an issue. But you may want to reflect on 3, 5, 7, and 8. Still, I’m only guessing and trying to help you.

Morten

PS: Why don’t you add photos to your reviews? It might reduce your number of hidden reviews. Your profile is set to restricted. If you want help to spot what could be the cause, you need to change your privacy setting as explained here temporarily. It can also be done from a Desktop computer. Goto Your contributions, then Profile settings, then toggle Restricted profile.

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Hallo Morten vielen Dank, für diene ausführliche Erklärung!

Anbei noch ein Beispiel, ich kann aber keine Links erstellen, weil die Bewertungen nicht online sind wird mir die Möglichkeit zum link erstellen nicht angeboten.

Mein Profil ist jetzt auch öffentlich, sorry dafür. Das war keine Absicht.

Lniks zu den beiden Busines-Profilen, zu denen ich dir die Bilder hier eingestellt habe lauten:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/KAB2ZThE9HGXXL3D6

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2NMAU4YDYGiZGhMX7

Link zu meinem Profil lautet:

https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/114629669768584838878

Wie gesagt, die einzelnen Bewertungen kann ich nicht verlinken, da sie “offline” sind gibt es keinen Link dazu.

Vielen Dank, fĂĽr deine Hilfe!

Eser.

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@AngieYC

Would you kindly take a look at the problems documented with screenshots from @EserA

It seems like his appeals for hidden reviews get approved but they remain hidden.

Cheers

Morten

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@EserAkcesme Es ist die ditte mal dass Ich habe diese post. Die erste war ein gut bild auf die restaurant und mein abendessen.

Danach nur ein Klein resumee auf die quaelitar aus die restaurant. Noch mal verboten by Google maps rules. Ein letzte sehr kurz als sehr gut restaurant. Noch mal die selbe critik.

Ich meine drei mal aceptiert danach raus “violations of rules or personal advantages” :rofl:

Hi @ArturVictoria , let me see if my way of looking at this dilemma can give a slightly different angle to look at what is happening. Please note that I, like you, am dissatisfied with how the AI ​​filter has been given loose rein and is doing more harm than good.

In my opinion, there are parallel arguments/reasons/issues, that we should consider in order to get a somewhat comprehensive picture. Cuz otherwise they may disturb and mislead us in how we should understand/perceive all comments written here by different moderators or LGs (so otherwise we can easily perceive the various comments as contradictory).

An important point is that we as LG must try to be authentic, credible and express our experiences in our reviews( @MortenCopenhagen has been very clear on this matter). And the fact that our reviews must follow rules and policies ( @ErmesT has elaborated on this in many threads).

Another thing is to keep a critical eye on images before we post them, simply because some images may violate rules or policies ( @MortenCopenhagen has a special thread about adding images. Please see 2 new Photo Upload Tips ).

A third point can be special circumstances that apply to the site that is being reviewed or has been reviewed for a while ago (please see e.g. the PURIFY project started by @Amiran).

The fourth point that overshadows all others is the aggressive nature of the AI ​​filter, which obviously has gone wild/crazy, which combined with blunt and unvarnished language is more likely to insult many LG thus invite LG to a fight rather than plea for cooperation and caution and finally ask them to refine their review or appeal.

So which of these four causes a review to lose its public status can be difficult to say with certainty. It seems to me, that the filter can be triggered if any of the three first-mentioned points are perceived as deviant by the filter. But the fact is that this AI filter can also act in accordance to its incomprehensible aggressive nature, without rational and justified explanation.

All the best

You may also get more by reading The principle of parsimony and the AI algorithm

@I-am-Q

I just released your posts from spam quarantine. Our filter is working to protect the community and you from unwanted content, but sometimes it can be triggered by something and remove a legitimate post.

Moderators are patrolling the quarantine to release the good post so, if your post has been rejected, don’t post it again. Simply tag a moderator (check here and here).

For more information you can read: Why was my Connect post marked as spam?

Also let me thank you for helping @ArturVictoria

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Thanks @ErmesT I appreciate your comments.

Now I have three of them. How can I delete the two old versions?

@MortenCopenhagen how is @AngieYC proceeding with your request on checking my profile? Any updates yet?

Regards

Hi @I-am-Q

Unfortunately not, You can’t delete the replies, but I can tag a Google moderator, @InaS , to remove the redundant versions of the reply when they will come back after the holyday period.

Merry Christmas

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It is Christmas today, @EserA

The Google Moderators will be back in the Community after the Holiday period

Merry Christmas to you

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Thanks and Merry Christmas to you as well @ErmesT

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