Diagonal Horizon - Good or Bad?

Following the recent post by @Christina-NYC , I have some questions.

This post is not about the snapshots where people got their horizon in their photo at a slight angle, because they were holding their camera wrong. This happens to all of us and can easily be corrected in post-production.

This post is about where Local Guides take tilted photos on purpose.

I see lots of photos by Local Guides that are purposely taken in a way that the horizon is at a steep angle. It makes me wonder if this is some sort of fashion that I am missing or why else people would be doing it?

So I did some reading on Non-Google related photography websites and found that most photographers do it for artistic reasons.

  1. To make a photo look more “interesting”.
  2. In some cases, it is done because the framing limitations of a camera prevent them from including something in their shot and thus they adapt the camera position to capture what otherwise would have been cropped by the restrictive rectangle of the camera frame.

In my opinion, the first reason is the same as using artificial filters. A practice that is NOT allowed by the Format Specific Contribution guidelines of Google Maps, if it means the photo is no longer representing reality.

These official photo guidelines state:

  • Content that makes it difficult for others to understand the environment you’re sharing may be rejected.
  • Examples are excessively dark or blurry images, significantly rotated compositions, and use of filters that dramatically alter the representation of the place.

I have seen many tilted photos on Maps where the subject matter requires quite some brain processing before you realize that the photo was taken in a tilted manner. After all, a street on a hill is tilted in reality. And then I have seen many photos on Maps where it is obvious, but simply looks silly in my opinion.

Tricking the viewer in thinking other realities have been used by “special effects” departments in Holywood since the beginning of the Moving Pictures. Remember the fun shots where a person on the floor is pretending to be on a wall, by rotating the image? So tilting (rotating) the frame does have an impact on reality even if you have no intention to trick people.

Are there exceptions?

Yes, I think so. However, in most cases, the intent of the photographer is usually very different.
For example, when taking a (close-up) picture of a flower or an animal in a zoo, you may need to hold the camera in an unnatural position, to frame the subject perfectly. In those cases, you are concentrating on getting the best shot of the subject. You were not thinking, let’s hold the camera in a diagonal manner because it makes the photo look more interesting. In most of those cases, there is also no horizon that makes the viewer want to tilt their head (as described by @Christina-NYC in her recent article).

  • What are your views on pictures with a diagonal horizon?
  • Do these rotated horizons belong on Google Maps?
  • Should these photos be flagged?

It would be great if a Googler could take away any doubt and I also love to hear your personal opinion as a Local Guide.

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Yes, It not Worths as it somehow change the original flavour. I earlier used to hide only but leaved when you guided about same. According to my opinion it is bad for GMaps as Artificial will also guided by it. Thank you @JeroenM Ji…

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Namskar…

** @JeroenM **

Nice post…

Thanks for Sharing…

Regards From Mumbai…

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@JeroenM bardzo cenna uwaga :blush: Zdjęcia w mapach to dokumenty, powinny być czytelne.Pozdrawiam

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I agree with you @JeroenM .

We must show reality, not artistic photos, so I am not showing it as it is,

I must turn the image to see reality in front.
Greetings.

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Namskar…

** @LuaPL **

**& @JeroenM **

LuaPL…

Yes your Right…

Same here…

As you say “We must show reality, not artistic photos, so I am showing it as it is”

My All most posted photo is as it is, not edited, no matter which Camara or Smartphone we Use…

Regards From Mumbai…

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Thank you @NeerajKumarIndia , @Shrut19 , @user_not_found and @LuaPL for your kind responses and participation in this discussion.

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Hi @JeroenM ,

You’ve started a very interesting topic. I would like to share an older but very good topic: How to Upload Great Photos to Google Maps. Our photos along with reviews can help others to take faster better decisions!

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Thank you @VasT for your response and recommendation for another great post.
As a Googler, you did not answer my question though…

What is the correct interpretation of the official Google Maps Format Specific Contribution Guidelines in relation to photos with an horizon at a 45-degree angle?

Please guide us.

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Thank you for your post @JeroenM .

We love to see the range of photographic style and creative perspective in the images Local Guides share on Google Maps. The Stylistic Adjustments within the Maps User Contributed Content Policy is important to use as a general guideline in deciding what photos are best to share. Viewers of a photo shared on Google Maps should immediately understand what they are looking at—regardless if the image is of a plate of food, landscape, or a building. Sometimes an extremely tilted or rotated photo of a landscape or building can greatly alter the scene and does not represent the place. This is where a camera grid can help keep a horizon level straight, or help make a building not look like it is falling over. There are times when getting the best shot of a subject does involve putting your camera at angle, such as the examples you shared of photographing a flower or animal at the zoo. Regardless of the angle or perspective, the subject matter or environment of a place should be easily understood by one looking at the photo.

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Thanks @JeroenM for sharing this useful information and tool

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Thank you very much, @Christina-NYC , for clarifying the matter and confirming my instincts. :wink:

Many Local Guides don’t seem to be aware of this. I always reach out to those that I am in contact with and send them a link to the User Contribution policy, including the format specific ones.

But now, thanks to you, I can back up my advice when people doubt my interpretation and flag poor contributions with more confidence.

Keep up the good work.

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Hi @JeroenM ,

Thanks for opening up such an interesting topic.

From my own point of view, in case a photo that may need to be tilted, I would use camera grid first to make the best possible proportion of the main subject of the photo itself.

As for the reason to tilt a photo, I would justify as to make the visualization in a way that can support my idea.

In this specific example, I would have needed to tilt almost to the limit, in order to represent in a post.

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Thank you for the detailed and in-depth reviewed topic, @JeroenM .

As mentioned in the Maps User Contributed Content Policy “Contributions must be based on real experiences and information. Deliberately fake content, copied or stolen photos, off-topic reviews, defamatory language, personal attacks, and unnecessary or incorrect content are all in violation of our policy. If you see this behaviour, please report it.”

My personal esthetical opinion is similar to yours and I also try not to tilt the horizon when shooting a landscape. Even so, I respect diverse understandings of tastes also I understand that not always the setting allows good composition and still as @Christina-NYC mentioned grids are always an available option.

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Thank you @sonnyNg ! Your photo is a PERFECT example that tilting is sometimes important in the storytelling. The name of the cave you photographed is all about the eyes and whilst the “eyes” in the cave may not have been perfectly aligned from where you were standing, it makes total sense that you portraited it in a manner that it did look like a set of eyes.

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Thank you @IrrPavlova .

I totally agree that artists should have the freedom to express themselves and photography can be a very expressive way of storytelling. I also agree that there is no right or wrong when it comes to personal tastes.

One of the powers of photographers is to open our eyes to details or perspectives. Showing us things in a way that we had (perhaps) not noticed before.

But in my opinion, not all creative and artistic photos belong on Google Maps. Google Maps is a functional tool and thus the photos shared should reflect reality, in my personal opinion.

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Hi, dear Googlers,

i read Anna Dickson’s post again.

A very educational post, that answers many questions.

But i have problems with one topic.

Why is it not allowed, to show the seasons on the photos?

The photographed objects remain the same!

I live in Germany, we have 4 pronounced seasons every year.

And if i now interpret it correctly, i’m only allowed to take photos in summer!

That would mean only 3 months a year!

Only 3 months! :flushed:

So i could not take photos in spring - to much blossoms!

I could not take photos in autumn - to much colourful leaves!

I could not take photos in winter - to much ice and snow!

I could not take photos, if in autumn and winter the sky is grey!

If in summer the sky is grey!

That would mean:

When could i take photos?

Here in Germany is always a season represented!

And the fewest time here’s really good weather!

And in addition:

All that is nature!

It is like it is!

Always sunshine, blue sky and green leaves show Germany not like it is!

Our weather and our seasons are showing the world, like here she is!

So now in winter i could not contribute a half year no photos and videos to Google Maps!

That would be a pity, because then Maps would get much less photos of me!

Of course, an object must not be completely lost in snow for Google Maps so you can not recognize it, that’s real, that would not make sence.

But if the object is completely recognizeable and there is only a bit snow or ice around it or on the roof, that can not be so damaging.

And if a few trees with colourful leaves stand around a building in autumn, it can not be worse, as if the leaves are green in summer.

There are many Local Guides of the middle and nord european countries and we all have seasons!

Please help us and clarify it! :yellow_heart:

Warmest greetings, :kissing_heart:

Jacky from Germany

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Hi, @JeroenM . Thanks for replying. The first and most important thing when choosing photos for Google Maps is to make them as informative and realistic as possible. People are going to look at them get orientated. Also, contributing is highly accessible in order to have as big as possible coverage around the world. A certain variety in the quality of the content can be expected.

In this line of thinking, there are bigger issues to be handled before we start chasing people for not using a grid for example. :wink:

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Hi @JeroenM,

Thank you for the acknowledgement.

The point is, we may have the freedom to express ourselves, it is important to follow the guidelines.

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Hi Jacky,

Thank you for your response and for raising another topic for clarification in relation to taking photos in the right season. You are referring to the post How to Upload Great Photos to Google Maps by @AnnaDickson and your response raises some valid points.

You will find that other Local Guides have asked the same question about the right season in the comments of that article. If you don’t find your answer in the debate following that article, I advise you to join the conversation and post your question also there.

All the people that participated in the thread by @AnnaDickson shall be notified of your response so that the people already interested in that debate, can follow its development. :wink:

Personally, I don’t think that @AnnaDickson was telling us to only take pictures in the summer. What about POI like a ski resort? A picture taken in the summer would make little sense to show the “essence” of the place. A picture of a beach resort in the rain would also not “advertise” why people go there.

Many places are season neutral, so personally, I think there are always contribution opportunities for the photographers amongst us.

Happy mapping!

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